The Beast Movie - Forums  

Go Back   The Beast Movie - Forums > General > Miscellaneous
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Miscellaneous Not covered in any other forums? Post it here.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-17-2006, 11:51 AM
the bishop the bishop is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 142
the bishop is on a distinguished road
Question J.P. Holding

Um... Sheila ...

I dunno. I was over at Brian's weblog, and saw this entry:
http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian...es/002146.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weblog Entry
UPDATE: When I first wrote this entry, I didn't know much about J.P. Holding, not really being up on my internet trolls. But from information submitted by readers, it turns out that even by mocking him in this blog entry I am apparently taking him far too seriously. "J.P Holding" is apparently a false name used by Robert Turkel, a huckster who employs a cast of false identities. For example, he posts self-supporting messages on internet forums and weblog comments under the name "Sheila Rangslinger" and may use other aliases, all in an attempt, apparently, to make it look as if people other than Robert Turkel agree with Robert Turkel. (Whether slipping into his "Sheila" false identity also satisfies any of Turkel's cross-dressing fantasies is unknown at this time.)

By acknowledging "J.P. Holding's" debate challenge, I was unfortunately just giving a troll exactly what a troll wants: undeserved attention. Oh well. My bad.

Others have ferreted out Robert Turkel's false identities and documented his troll behavior:

J.P. Holding fabrications

Robert Turkel, entrepreneur

J.P. Holding's abusive style

So, Sheila, are you really JP Holding, or not? I wonder if the admins here have anything to say on the subject? I note the Rules & Regulations do not currently have anything against this sort of thing so I figured I'd bring it up.
__________________
I love the WWW. With the advent of the Rock Paper Scissors Forum, and the Zombie Preparedness Initiative Forum, I\'m ready for whatever life decides to throw at me.
  #2  
Old 05-17-2006, 11:58 AM
Andrew Merritt Andrew Merritt is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Nemiah valley Chilko lake Canada
Posts: 2,082
Andrew Merritt is on a distinguished road
Default

Oh my god is Shiela IS THAT JP HOLDING GUY?No wonder she sounded like a fundel MENTAL ist.Hate disguised as love,though the disguise wasnt very hidden.
__________________
“There is only one good; knowledge,

and one evil; ignorance.”

Socrates 470B.C.?-399 B.C.?
  #3  
Old 05-17-2006, 12:03 PM
Jughead's Avatar
Jughead Jughead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 339
Jughead is on a distinguished road
Default

When the heats on and it looks like you haven't a leg to stand on, which is the case here, you resort to ganging up and try to eliminate the truth or the source.

How come none of you guys can hold your own when confronted with someone who knows what they are talking about?

exactly WHAT are you guys running or hiding from!?!?!?!


your true colors are coming out!!!


jughead
__________________
\"A lie told often enough becomes the truth\"
Lenin
  #4  
Old 05-17-2006, 12:11 PM
Jeff's Avatar
Jeff Jeff is offline
Overseer of All
Site Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 139
Jeff is on a distinguished road
Default

In the interest of letting Sheila reply for herself, I'm leaving this open for now -- normally as this nearly falls under 'personal attacks' which there IS something in the FAQs about I would lock it.

Naturally if Sheila is JP Holding, we'd want to have him/her put a disclaimer on there because she replies in the 3rd person about him which would indicate to me that they are different persons, but I would not see any harm with keeping the pseudonym in any event.
__________________
Before you post anything, read the FAQ Guidelines for Forum Rules. If you have a question please PM me because once you are gone that's it.
- thanks //Jeff (the day-to-day admin)
(and keeper of the BANISHMENT)
  #5  
Old 05-17-2006, 01:53 PM
Sheila Rangslinger Sheila Rangslinger is offline
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 60
Sheila Rangslinger is on a distinguished road
Default

DISCLOSURE FROM ADMIN: "Sheila Rangslinger" was discovered to be a sock puppet identity created by J.P. Holding. Any statements about J.P. Holding in this post were written by J.P. Holding himself. More.


I'd be more than happy to answer that question.

But before I do, I have a requirement. Everyone on this forum has to sign a "Statement of Belief" indicating what their real name is, and send it to me.

I'll even be generous and say that only 50% have to do it first, and the other 50% later.

Of course, if the people here DO need some sort of distraction, they're welcome to pursue it.
  #6  
Old 05-17-2006, 02:09 PM
the bishop the bishop is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 142
the bishop is on a distinguished road
Thumbs down

So I'm guessing that Brian owned you there JP.

No biggies, it's just odd when guys do the 'girl thing' online ... is this the internet equivalent to dressing in womens clothes as Brian mentioned?


And here I figured there was actually a flock of believers headed this way when in reality it's just you ... and you ... and you some more.

weak.
__________________
I love the WWW. With the advent of the Rock Paper Scissors Forum, and the Zombie Preparedness Initiative Forum, I\'m ready for whatever life decides to throw at me.
  #7  
Old 05-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Punkish's Avatar
Punkish Punkish is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: England
Posts: 109
Punkish is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the bishop
So I'm guessing that Brian owned you there JP.

No biggies, it's just odd when guys do the 'girl thing' online ... is this the internet equivalent to dressing in womens clothes as Brian mentioned?


And here I figured there was actually a flock of believers headed this way when in reality it's just you ... and you ... and you some more.

weak.

I take it you like dressing in clerical frocks? C'mon, seriously, the rules for this forum are that we don't attack each other. Right? (Jeff: in future I'll just ignore these silly posts.)
  #8  
Old 05-17-2006, 02:24 PM
Jughead's Avatar
Jughead Jughead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 339
Jughead is on a distinguished road
Wink

regardless weather he or she is a he or she, he/she owns the whole lot of you guys, he/she knows what he/she is talking about and you don't like it.


It's obvious to see who has the knowledge and who is just rambling off garbage collected off the internet!

Jughead
__________________
\"A lie told often enough becomes the truth\"
Lenin
  #9  
Old 05-17-2006, 02:26 PM
Sheila Rangslinger Sheila Rangslinger is offline
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 60
Sheila Rangslinger is on a distinguished road
Default

DISCLOSURE FROM ADMIN: "Sheila Rangslinger" was discovered to be a sock puppet identity created by J.P. Holding. Any statements about J.P. Holding in this post were written by J.P. Holding himself. More.


Quote:
Originally Posted by the bishop
So I'm guessing that Brian owned you there JP.

The only thing Brian owns, dear, is a free trip to the land of Neuroses.

But as I said, if you need a distraction to cover your inability to answer arguments, do enjoy yourself.

Quote:
And here I figured there was actually a flock of believers headed this way when in reality it's just you ... and you ... and you some more.

I'm sure the mods here know how to detect IP addresses, bishop, dear. Don't insult their intelligence.
  #10  
Old 05-17-2006, 03:01 PM
Eddie Eddie is offline
Super Moderator
Site Admin
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 106
Eddie has disabled reputation
Default

Wait a second... Someone named J.P. Holding has been coming here using a pseudonym, and posting 30 messages a day in support of...J.P Holding? Is there even a question about whether we should let him get away with this?

Using a pseudonym is one thing. But using a sock puppet to shill for your real identity is another. If we let everyone get away with that, this forum would end up cluttered with what would amount to deceitful self-promotion. I mean, can I create a new login name and post 30 messages a day about how great Eddie is and how Goth Slut should go out with him?

If this allegation is true (and it seems pretty clear that it is), I'd say ban the Sheila identity and append a truthful disclaimer to every one of her posts (i.e., "This entry was posted by J.P. Holding, using the pseudonym 'Sheila Rangslinger'"). This is a policy we can stick to -- we'll apply it across the board, no matter what point of view the person was expressing.

Using sock puppets = you get banned. It's a pretty clear and fair policy.

I think this is pretty cut and dried, but I'd be interested in hearing what others on the board think, and I'm open to hearing any good reasons anyone has that we should allow this.

If we do ban Sheila, I think that will make a grand total of two banned users since the beginning of the board. One for auto-spamming nonstop Bible verses, and one for employing a false identity to promote himself. I could stand by that record.

Of course, J.P. can sign up and post supportive messages about himself AS himself.
__________________
Eddie
Moderator, Movie Forums
TIP: Don't feed the trolls
Closed Thread



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
JP Holding issues a debate challenge to Brian Flemming GakuseiDon "The God Who Wasn't There" Discussion 16 Yesterday 09:58 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All Content Copyright ©2004 - 2006, Beyond Belief Media